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Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald talks trans rights and a united Ireland on Late Late Show
The Dublin Central TD got candid on the disappointment Sinn Féin faced in the 2024 General Election
Getting personal, Ms McDonald spoke on the UK Supreme Court’s new ruling that the terms 'woman' and 'sex' in the Equality Act do not include transgender women
Reporter:
Ellie McCarthy
26 Apr 2025 11:54 AM
Sinn Féin President Mary Lou McDonald joined host Patrick Kielty on the Late Late Show last night (April 25) to discuss a wide variety of hard-hitting topics, such as last year's election, why she will not make a bid for the Presidency, how likely a united Ireland is and her campaigning for the equality of all, including trans people, in Ireland.
Speaking on last year's General Election, the Dublin Central TD got candid on the disappointment the party faced, citing that "Every day is a school day. Every campaign is different" but insisted they are learning from the mistakes made. This is in reference to the significant drop they experienced in results from 24.5% to 19% of first-preference votes.
On why she would not make a bid for the Presidency, Ms McDonald stated, "There is so much work to be done, so many things that can be achieved, and I want to be part of leading that effort," adding that this cannot be done from Áras an Uachtaráin. However, she spoke fondly of President Michael D Higgins, saying his term was exemplary. The Presidential Election is due to take place by Tuesday, November 11.
One of the central point's to Sinn Féin's beliefs is a united Ireland. Ms McDonald spoke candidly on this with host Patrick Kielty, a Down native. She said, "I believe that we're living in the end days of partition. Actually, this year marks a century since the Boundary Commission partitioned our island. So a century ago, people in Tyrone, your own home county of County Down, woke up one morning and everything had changed and they had been left behind, and then the history unfolded as we know.
"We're now at a point where we have real opportunities, economically, socially, to build an Ireland that creates wealth, prosperity, happiness, security for our entire island population and I think we need to grasp that. I also know that we need to plan for it. One of the astonishing things is that in the absence of any substantive debate that you have 34% of the population north of the border saying, 'Yes, I favour this.'
"I believe that as the conversation deepens and as we listen to each other carefully, and as the opportunities become more apparent, I believe that support will grow but the government here in Dublin has to lead that. They can't bury their
heads in the sand," she added.
Commenting on this, Patrick Kielty, who grew up in the North under Margaret Thatcher's rule, said, "This is a hearts and minds thing," telling the leader that many will have to be persuaded into this.
"That's on the one hand the great challenge of this process, that's actually what makes it interesting," said the TD.
Getting personal, Ms McDonald spoke on the UK Supreme Court’s new ruling that the terms 'woman' and 'sex' in the Equality Act do not include transgender women. Sinn Féin came under controversy after their health spokesperson David Cullinane dubbed this ruling as "common sense" on social media. He has since apologised.
The Sinn Féin leader continued, "This isn't an abstract issue. Simply, I have a trans sibling and I love my sister. She's compassionate and clever and accomplished, and she's loved beyond measure and unconditionally, and I want her to live a full, authentic life. I want that for every human being, and I want us to live in a society where that's possible.
"So the first thing in discussing any of the issues around this, we need to have the right atmosphere, and we need to reassure each other that we're starting from a position of respect. If we don't have that, we can't have the conversation to clarify, to reassure and to straighten out the issues that need to be addressed.
"So for me, I look across to Britain, you look further afield, and you see a really toxic, divided, divisive approach to issues that can't be solved in a hostile environment. They need qualities of calm and respect and I think that's who we are as Irish people," said Ms McDonald.
The ruling will be studied as it will have an implication north of the border. As for the south of the border, it is not yet known at this stage if it will have an impact.
"The rights of everybody can be protected and maintained. We shouldn't have to select individuals, women, men, trans women, trans men, everybody has to have the right, respect and I believe that we can that we can get to that point in a fair way, in a balanced way that brings reassurance to people," concluded the Sinn Féin President.
Going on to extend her sympathies to the late Pope Francis, the politician was also joined on the Late Late Show by Simon Pegg, Paloma Faith, Chris Kent and KhakiKid.
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